Deer hunting

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[gnosis_within]

Chickens and turkeys today are typically crammed by the tens of thousands into sheds, each chicken with less living space than a standard sheet of paper. Modern chickens? upper bodies grow six to seven times as fast as they used to?they are genetically bred to grow so large and so fast that their legs, lungs, and hearts often can?t keep up. Turkeys are such bulky animals that they can?t even breed naturally anymore. Many of these animals, whose lives are miserable from birth, suffer lung collapse, heart failure, and crippling leg deformities. Because farms are basically unregulated, extreme abuse can go completely unnoticed....

The breeding animals who "supply" the nation?s 9 billion chickens have been called Gallus neglectedus ("neglected chickens") because their welfare is so often ignored entirely. These birds suffer from many of the same conditions forced on other chickens but suffer from them for a longer period of time. Additionally, the birds are forced to endure constant hunger from food deprivation and painful mutilations, including having their beaks seared off, their toes, spurs, and combs chopped off, and intranasal implants (plastic stick-like objects) inserted through male birds? nasal cavities so that the ends protrude horizontally to both sides of their faces, preventing the birds from reaching through the cage to eat the females? food.....

Cattle often spend the first year or so of their lives grazing (cattle are the only farmed animals who are allowed to do some of the things natural to their species), before being shipped to auction and feedlot and slaughter. While grazing, the animals are generally not protected against the blazing heat of states like Texas or the freezing cold of states like Nebraska or Kansas, so they may suffer from dehydration or heatstroke or may freeze to death. Many cattle "farmers" have other jobs and raise the animals "on the side." It is not in their best interests (or is not economically possible for them) to pay for veterinary care, especially since any animal who can make it to the slaughterhouse, no matter how much she or he is suffering, can be slaughtered for meat. One common ailment, "cancer eye," can rot out the entire side of a cow?s head, but the meat in that portion of the animal is not valuable anyway, so the animal?s suffering is often totally ignored.

Early in their lives, the animals are subjected to an array of painful procedures, including castration without painkillers, wattling (mutilation of the skin under the animal?s chin), and the infliction of third-degree burns (branding)....

Cattle generally spend the final months of their lives on massive feedlots, crammed together by the thousands on dirt, feces, and mud in holding pens. People can smell these places for miles around, but the animals who have to live there can never escape, so they often suffer from painful respiratory diseases. The animals, natural ruminants, are fed a high-protein diet that wreaks havoc on their digestion (and kills many of them; one-third of feedlot deaths are a result of digestive diseases) and may cause liver abscesses, bloating (blamed for about one-fourth of feedlot deaths), cow polio (polioencephalomalacia), foot rot, and bladder rupture.

Cattle are also often fed hormones to fatten them and antibiotics to prevent them from dying from the stress of their horrible living conditions....

Corporate-owned factories where cows are warehoused in huge sheds and treated like milk machines have replaced most small family farms. With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies, it is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a day?10 times more than they would produce in nature. To keep milk production as high as possible, farmers artificially inseminate cows every year. Growth hormones and unnatural milking schedules cause dairy cows? udders to become painful and so heavy that they sometimes drag on the ground, resulting in frequent infections and overuse of antibiotics.....

A byproduct of the dairy industry, veal production takes the lives of about 1 million baby cows each year. Male calves are separated from their mothers within a day of birth and loaded onto transport trucks?headed either to auction to be bought and raised for veal or straight to the veal farm. There, they are confined, often tethered so that they can?t move at all, and isolated in dark crates. They are fed an anemia-inducing diet to make their muscles pale and weak for veal. If you are eating veal, you are consuming a sick baby animal.....

One slaughterhouse employee explained: "One time the knocking gun was broke all day; they were taking a knife and cutting the back of the cow?s neck open while he?s still standing up. They would just fall down and be a-shaking. And they stab cows in the butt to make ?em move. Break their tails. They beat them so bad. I?ve drug cows till their bones start breaking, while they were still alive. Bringing them around the corner, and they get stuck up in the doorway, just pull them till their hide be ripped, till the blood just drip on the steel and concrete. Breaking their legs pulling them in. And the cow is crying with its tongue stuck out. They pull him till his neck just pop."

Chickens and turkeys are unloaded from cages and then hung, still fully conscious, upside down by their weakened legs in metal shackles before their heads are passed through an electrically charged water bath that immobilizes them but often does not render them unconscious. The workers who hang the animals must work so quickly (assembly-line style) that animals are frequently injured. When the water "baths" are set below the level required to kill them, as they often are, the animals (unless they have died from stress and abuse before they?re even shackled) are alive, conscious, and bleeding to death after their throats are slit, and they enter the scalding tank (boiling water for feather removal) still conscious. Many of them flap about and thus miss both the immobilization bath and the automated and manual (human) neck-slicers and are scalded to death.

oh yeah, those hunters who kill animals that have the opportunity to roam about freely for a majority of their lives are so immoral.

[TastinGood]

Nice copy/paste job but I didnt see 1 parenthetical reference. [img]redface.gif[/img]

[GravyTrain]

wow...i read all that, and i finally did find one reference to deer hunting.

that raises a good point though....deer hunting is hunting for food....animals die for the food....what is different between hunting for deer and eating hamburger meat from the store....

come on, back to deer hunting.

[TastinGood]

Animals are going to die regardless. Just because they die in a cruel way doesnt mean jack shit in this thread and shouldnt be used as a comparison. People kill dogs for barking too loud and bury them in the backyard...but that doesnt mean shit in regards to hunting deer.

My issue comes not with the fact that hunters kill the deer, but in the way that it is presented. You have a gun, and you sit up in a tree and wait for Bambi to walk by...then you aim and shoot it. That's sounds something a wuss would do....how about fightin a bear with a bowie knife? Now THAT I would give some respect to.

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first, not all deer hunters sit in a tree and wait for a DEER to come by....(we aren't referring to a Disney cartoon character)

so because technology has advanced and there are no better and "smarter" guns, hunters shouldn't use them because it isn't fair to the animal?

what about the speed of the animal and the familiarity of the terrain...that doesn't make it fair to the hunter...

you have no point there, that doesn't say anything about being against deer hunting, you are just saying you think they are wusses...just because they are willing to work a little harder for good deer meat than you are, you think they are little pussies....pathetic

[SHATOUSHKA]

to put it in better perspective, there are obviously
different types of hunting. there's a difference
between hunting and poaching... and imo, when
you stock an area, bait it with food, and then
pick off the *almost tame* deer... thats fucking
wrong.

however, i have been deer hunting... i have had
the so-called 'deer fever'.... hunting isn't
easy... no matter how good you think you are...
or how educated you are on terrain/skill.

i also find hunting a much more rewarding experience.
you can literally see the effects of your
knowledge and the impact nature has on the day.
i'm not talking about pretty scenery and shit
like that, i'm talking about the overall
condition of the animal and how its environment
has caused it to be physically/mentally/actively
changed.

i think what is missing in this situation is that
tg should go hunting... and if he has, to go
hunting... like real hunting. no fucking deer
camps, no fucking 'outing'... just real hunting.


FYI: i feel the same in regards to any type of
hunting -- small game, large game, fishing,
etc. i do not regard deer stands, trapping,
luring, etc as fair game play. in short, i feel
that my only experience in hunting (in GA)
is the most pleasurable and best experience.

now if you wanna start a topic about hunting
for sport (as in... receiving a cash/merchandise
reward for hunting) thats bullshit.


and i think if anyone wants to discuss stuffing
animals as trophies... let me know. [img]wink.gif[/img]

[TastinGood]

Listen DJ...I dont give a FUCK about eating the god damn deer.

What the vast majority of hunters do are go out and set salt blocks out in certain locations to get the deer used to coming to that area. Then hunting season begins and guess what...the salt is gone and there is a guy drinkin a Bud up in the tree waitin for the defenseless deer to come by so that he can shoot it and brag to his buddies.


That is the type of hunting I am bashing, DJ.

And yes...I respect a muzzle loader much more than anyone with the latest greatest bfg out there.

But regardless of any of that...I dont see why anyone would want to go out there and kill any animal like that. I just dont see the appeal. No one you know is going out there hunting for survival so even if they eat all the fuckin mean and suck on the bones, there must be some other reason for them to do it. What is that reason? Cameraderie? That is a major source of it, IMO and that's ok....I just think you could find the same camaraderie in other much kinder activities.

[SHATOUSHKA]

when i went hunting... it was just me and another
person... and i spent little time thinking about
some 'bond' that me and that person were making...
but moreso about the other shit i posted in my
last post that OBVIOUSLY got ignored....

[GravyTrain]

*insert multiple yahoo surprised smilies here*

i can not believe that shatzy and i are almost in the same camp as far as this subject goes, i can't believe it.

however, as far as sport goes, i don't have a problem with that. the same techniques are used, (in some cases) and the result is the same, i deceased animal.....mounting the animal (as in stuffing it and putting it on the wall) is a hunters way of receiving an MVP trophy from some other ball related sport.....do i consider hunting a sport....no...do i think it requires athletic skill...no, but do i think it requires skill of some sort to accomplish the goal and "win" (ie, hunt/track/kill your target)...by all means yes.

TG, i am truly surprised at your comments, i can not believe that you became a friggin tree hugger and now want to save the animals. i'm too tired and had too many drinks tonight to truly respond to this, but i'm leaving it for now...i'm just really disappointed....